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  What does nicotine feel like?

  by Elsewhere in

  1. social
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  i have never smoked or used any tobacco products aside from puffing on a cigar a few times (maybe 5 times in my life).

  even with the few cigar experiences (which i did not enjoy much) i never noticed any real "feeling" from the tobacco.

  what is it supposed to feel like?

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  Jack Burton

  Yeah, it was f*&cked up. In the words of the Shawshank Redemption - I crawled through a river of shit and came out clean on the other side...

  Something like that
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  What does nicotine feel like?

  by Elsewhere in

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  i have never smoked or used any tobacco products aside from puffing on a cigar a few times (maybe 5 times in my life).

  even with the few cigar experiences (which i did not enjoy much) i never noticed any real "feeling" from the tobacco.

  what is it supposed to feel like?

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  Jack Burton

  I started smoking while I was inpatient in a "nut house", recovering from a suicide attempt after being DFed for apostasy, and then losing my wife and kids (Only temporary, I'm happy to say). Anyways, back to nicotine, greatest shit ever created! Seriously, I know I'm addicted to it, but the nicotine buzz rules...especially after several tasty vodka beverages!
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  JESUS CHRIST!

  by nicolaou in

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  2. bible

  i don't want hopscotch's thread diverted anymore than it has been so i'm starting this one.. this is an opportunity to speak up and let us know how you actually feel about jesus christ.

  let's face it, for good or ill he was a major influence in all of our lives.

  frankly, i think the biblical jesus is despicable and i'll be posting my views in full tomorrow after a good nights sleep.. jesus should be ashamed of himself .

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  "Heard alot about this Jesus

  A man of love and a man of strength

  But what a man was two thousand years ago means nothing at all today

  He could of told me about my higher self

  But he only lives inside my prayers

  While he once may have been beautiful...

  The pain is right now and right here"

  Sums it up for me...

  From the song - The Tyranny of Tradition, By Live
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  Getting rid of your demons...sorry about being long winded...

  by Jack Burton in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've posted several comments on this board, and love reading everyones comments.

  today i was looking through the old postings, and found the threads that were started by an old freind of mine.

  reading his blow by blow accounts of what happened to him on his way out was heart breaking and life affirming at the same time.

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  Jack Burton

  Well, here goes. I've posted several comments on this board, and love reading everyones comments. Today I was looking through the old postings, and found the threads that were started by an old freind of mine. Reading his blow by blow accounts of what happened to him on his way out was heart breaking and life affirming at the same time. My wife has been encouraging me to post my experince as a way to really start healing myself. She is a wonderful woman, and I am the luckiest man on earth to have her. She is right, it's time...This may seem a little long, but it's been years in the works, so please bear with me.

  I was born in California to two very committed hippies. We lived on a commune in Berkeley for a few years until my Dad began to want to get away from all of it. We moved to Wisconsin, and my Mom secretly began studying with JWs. She was baptized when I was 5 years old. She only told my Dad that she was a witness after the convention where she got baptized. No wonder he started drinking! I was always a good little witness boy, aux-pioneering right after high school, and was appointed an MS a few years later. I never felt I fit in though, I was always attracted to anything outside the norm, skateboarding, punk rock, literature. When I met my wife, she was a little skate betty. I didn't think that witness girls came in that model, so I was head over heels! Before we got married, I moved out to the "big city" of Milwaukee. Thats when the problems started. Not being around my Mom, I found I really didn't want to go to meetings, service, study, any of that. I just figured I was not spiritually strong enough. My cognitive dissonance was really kicking in. I'm sure some of you can relate to this feeling, something about this doesn't make sense, it's just that you can't let your brain go there.

  Anyways, through some big ups and downs, We decided to move to the state of my birth, as my parents had recently moved back. I started working for a brother with a large roofing company, and started saving to move the rest of the family out. During this time, my closest freind from my old hall, wrote a DA letter. It shocked me because we had pioneered together, been appointed servants around the same time, he was even my best man in our wedding. I heard about all of this second hand, and was toubled enough that I spoke to the elders about it. As a side note...if you are interested in reading his experiences, look under Winston Smith in the members directory. He has some of the most eloquent posts on this board.

  After my wife and kids joined me, things were good for a while. But something had been eating at both of us. The are we moved to had some pretty affluent areas. I began to see that the hall actually had some of the wealthiest members of the community. The brother that I worked for was one of them. His roofing business had taken off, and he actually owned a very successful vineyard in Napa. It stuck in my craw when we had to sit through talks by members of the hall who had fallen into the family business give talks about keeping ourselves simple, you know, don't work overtime, things like that, and then watch them drive away in a new Mercedes. I was working at least 50 or 60 hours a week just to keep us afloat. It didn't seem right to me...How could some have so much, while some have nothing. It has nothing to do with being "spiritual", it just seemed like dumb luck to me.

  As time went on, we kind of began to drop out, but still felt guilty about it, after all it's still the "truth" right? Then for me, the bomb hit. Long story short, I started researching 607 B.C.E. after seeing something on the history channel
  that used 587 as a set in stone fact. After that, the scales fell off my eyes, and within the space of a couple of days, I knew the truth about the "truth". I kept this hidden from my wife and family, how do you bring this up? I do remember being at a couple of meetings after that. I had never paid such close attention in my whole life! How in the hell could I have fallen for this tripe? I got in touch with "Winston" again, and after comparing notes, found out we found the same reasons bothered us both...I guess we pioneered together for a reason!

  Now the fun began. I began talking to my wife about all that I now believed. This did not go well at first. She was scared, wich made me a little bit angry, big mistake on my part. I realize now that everyone needs to find their own way out. Anyway, because we were missing so many meetings, the elders started sniffing around. When I was finally surprised at home, I made what was maybe the biggest mistake of my life, or the best thing ever. After being asked about why we weren't even close to regular anymore blah blah blah, I finally brought up the things that had been bothering me, 607 vs 587. I have never seen such a change come over two faces as I saw then. They looked at each other knowingly, and one of them, with the best fake kindness I have ever seen , asked, "So, where did you get this information?" At this point I "felt a great disturbance in the force", and knew where this was going...

  I realize this is getting long winded, so I will post Part Duex in the future. I don't expect this to be anything new or ground breaking, but like I said, this is really a selfish excercise on my part. This helps to try to put this life of mine down in writing, or at least attempt to. Thanks for stopping by, and May the Force Be With You!!!
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  Puke alert! There is another JWN - I left a comment

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  likely that they will not allow it to be published to the site.

  [pending approval it says.].

  here was the comment i left there.. are you aware that another site uses the same initials?

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  I just checked my posting out of curiosity to see if I got a response. Surpise surprise...my question has been removed.

  It shouldn't surprise me, but what a bunch of hypoctritical bastards. They have the gall to have a "Message to opposers" as the first thing you read, but try to ask a simple question, and they shut you down. I thought "The Truth" is supposed to stand up to Satan's superhuman attacks, yet a simple question about the memorial is deemed too dangerous for "the friends"?

  Oh well...thinking for yourself makes the kool aid a little less refreshing I guess!
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  Puke alert! There is another JWN - I left a comment

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  likely that they will not allow it to be published to the site.

  [pending approval it says.].

  here was the comment i left there.. are you aware that another site uses the same initials?

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  Jack Burton

  I just visited this site. It's a great way to induce vomiting. I did post a question under the memorial article. I am hoping to get a reply from one of the kool-aid drinkers. I do have to say that the difference between these two sites is night and day. It's nice to see people whose brains are in the "on" position!
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  Did being raised a JW retard your career or cost you BIG $$$?

  by The Berean in

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  2. friends

  i was offered a journalism scholarship at ohio state ... mom made me turn it down cause "armageddonwas near"... ended up a janitor!

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  My wife was accepted into the Milwaukee Art Museums program in high school. She amazed me with the talent she had in painting, she painted several pieces that looked like they came from a museum. When I met her she had just come back from Egypt as an Au Pair for a family who's father was in a medical internship in the states. Me being a typical JW, I had no education besides high school, working in construction, her view of the world made me feel how small I actually was.

  We now have 4 wonderful children who see the "TRUTH" for the bullshit that it is. We have never been closer than we are now. I am going back to school to get a nursing degree. I want to leave a real mark on this world before I leave it.

  I do feel that this organization robbed my wife and I of our potential before it could blossom. But, the rest is up to us, stand or fall on our own.
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  Most Annoying "Kingdom song?"

  by doodle-v in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what's a kingdom song you can remember singing that gives you the creeps now?

  mine is "move ahead" i think that was the title, anyway it has so much rhetoric... but the tune is so darn catchy.... darn.... in my opinion, those songs are the perfect example of mind control.

  move ahead.. move ahead ... blah blah blah blah blah .

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  "Life Without End At Last"

  I remember my sisters and I creeping away from our completley tone deaf Mother belting this out at the top of her lungs, especially when the tears would well up - BARF!!!

  She tries to torture my kids with her foreign language versions of songs.

  Now my wife and I are remembering more and more, and they sound just as bad as they did then!
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  Ryan Seacrest - Closet JW?

  by Jack Burton in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is my first posting, but i thought this was the best.. i have been a lurker for several years, but never chimed in.

  i am a df'ed former pioneer and m.s.

  , my wife is in the process of fading, we call it w.p.p.

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  I'm rooting for Ryan Seacrest, he has the most talent of them all!

  Is it weird to be a lurker for years and then start a topic on something so stupid?

  I'm starting the healing process even though I've been out for about 3 years. I haven't known where to start, so I decided to jump in with a stupid posting. I hope to post our story soon, but I am quite a Luddite.
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  Ryan Seacrest - Closet JW?

  by Jack Burton in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is my first posting, but i thought this was the best.. i have been a lurker for several years, but never chimed in.

  i am a df'ed former pioneer and m.s.

  , my wife is in the process of fading, we call it w.p.p.

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  Jack Burton

  This is my first posting, but I thought this was the best.

  I have been a lurker for several years, but never chimed in. I am a df'ed former pioneer and m.s. , my wife is in the process of fading, we call it W.P.P. (Witness Protection Program)!

  Watching American Idol tonight, my wife says that Ryan Seacrest is cute, in a J.W. kind of way. Doesn't he look like he could be on the next assembly part on why the GB is awesome?

  I know this is frivolous, but what the hell!